My Proposal idea, based off FOTO

Hi,

One of my hobbies is Transit/City Planning. I've made my own proposal for routes for the O-train, and illustrated it with these three images:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1240/otrainroutewi6.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/637/otrainphaseskp6.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5523/otrainstationszu3.png

I'm not familliar with all the logistics, costs, and other such information for what I've proposed, mostly this is just an idea to share. I apologise for not explaining it mroe throughly right now, but my computer deleted the detailed explanation I'd tried to write earlier, and I've forgotten it all...

So, feel free to check out my ideas, and to debate and critique them.

Matt

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I recently read the Moving

I recently read the Moving Ottawa proposal by the Mayor's task force, and decided it makes a lot of sense. extending the O-train along existing rail corridors looks like it will take it, relatively inexpensively, to where it needs to go. And if the city is willing to pay for a downtown tunnel, then that provides the best solution for downtown transit. Compared to the FOTO downtown ELRT, a tunnel provides direct access to the rest of the lines, as well as it won't need to be replaced in a couple decades as traffic increases (as opposed to Calgary's downtown surface LRT, which is overcrowded 25 years after construction.)

I made these maps based on that proposal, to replace the maps I previously uploaded. I modified a few parts based on my own opinions, mostly timeline-wise, and additional stations.

http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2010eg6.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2013mh2.jpg

(black is O-train, pink is Transitway)

Matt

A rather wordy description of my proposal

I'll attempt to explain my reasoning behind the routes I chose. First, I'll mention a bit about my background. I don't actually live near Ottawa, I live in Calgary, where I attend a Geomatics program at SAIT. I'm dependent on the Calgary C-train for travel, which helped start my interest in Transit Planning. So, I'm not completely familiar with Ottawa in person, but I do have the example set by Calgary's very successful LRT system to compare to. I have been keeping up with the attempts to plan the O-train more or less since they began to plan extensions of the Pilot Project (as well as plans for all the other Canadian Cities' Rapid Transit Systems.)

O-train central route and Barrhaven route:

I agree with Friends of the O-train that it would be cheaper to extend the current O-train instead of replacing it, as well as extremely inconvenient to close it for three years. Fast, convenient travel from outlying suburbs to the downtown core and to the universities is one of the things that gives Calgary's LRT its extremely high ridership. Therefore, I propose direct routes from Barrhaven and the new communities at Leitrim and Riverside South to the downtown core, using railway corridors. Buses in those communities, as well as Park and Ride lots, collect passengers from around the community to stations in the centre of the community, The current FOTO plan doesn't directly access Riverside South or South Leitrim, which would lower potential ridership.

The lines would serve south central Ottawa, which already provides plenty of riders for the existing o-train, as well as Carleton University. It would also serve the Riverside South and Leitrim suburban communities, which are separated from the rest of Ottawa by the Greenbelt. A people mover-type LRT would access the Airport from either South Keys or a station at Lester. My plan has the central route divert from the railway to Albion Road near Leitrim Road, because otherwise I think it would be inconvenient for the new community there if the LRT is a kilometer inside the greenbelt, away from the suburb. I welcome input on this idea, and whether it's actually feasible.

E-LRT:

I agree that this the most convenient way of serving downtown that won't cost a fortune. The benefit of removing buses from Albert and Slater is also a very good reason. Trains from major Transit Terminals at Bayview and Hurdman could run through the downtown at frequent intervals. Some people seem to think that transferring at these terminals would be very inconvenient, but it's very common amongst transit systems in the world, for example the Bloor-Danforth Subway in Toronto, and the Millennium Line In Burnaby/Vancouver (not to mention the very common use of bus terminals). The University of Ottawa would be a major trip generator.

I've included a westward extension along the existing Transitway and Richmond Road for the future, if necessary, to provide better transit access for that part of Ottawa, and to provide a more direct link for Kanata travelers. It may be too expensive to justify extending E-LRT along this entire corridor, however. I welcome input on this idea, and whether it's actually feasible.

In order to connect with the most convenient route for the east LRT, my proposal has the E-LRT extending south from Hurdman to the Hospital lands. This would be the same as the FOTO proposal. An extension to Walkley along the corridor I understand is set aside for a new arterial road, seems logical to improve transit access for Alta Vista and the areas south of it. This would be a 2-3 station extension, presumably in the median of the arterial road. See the East-West LRT section for more on this (including a change I thought up for the east LRT in this area).

A subway should only be built downtown if proven necessary, in the future after there is an existing, already-proven city LRT system. Calgary did not need a downtown subway for the first two decades of its existence, though now the existing downtown infrastructure is at capacity and close to over capacity. I find the fact that they are actually performing a study for a subway right now, unwise.

East-West LRT:

LRT to and from the suburbs and other central areas (such as the former cities of Kanata and Orleans) is important to a successful transit system. Kanata and Orleans seem to be the most logical places to connect to downtown and central Ottawa with Rapid Transit, due to their distance and greenbelt separation.

Kanata: The large OCRR rail corridor seems to be the best place to build an inexpensive LRT (using the same diesel system as the existing O-train). Bus connections at stations at the major roads crossing the corridor would bring some riders, as well as park-and-rides constructed in the empty railway corridor; however I expect Kanata to provide more riders than western Ottawa, as the distance by bus and car to downtown is going to make a lot of riders use those methods of transportation. Still, the railway corridor is within walking distance of Residential and Commercial areas. Connection to the Transitway (and possible future LRT) at Woodroffe would bring some riders from the former city of Nepean area. A station at Richmond Road and the 416 would serve Bells Corners and the Hospital there. The LRT would switch to the 417/Queensway corridor in the Greenbelt, and follow that corridor through Kanata. There are existing Transitway stations on that corridor with Park-and-Rides that could be used for the LRT. At Scotiabank Place, the large parking lot could also be used as a Park and Ride, and if necessary the LRT would turn south to Hazledean Road for a Terminal station for Stittsville.

Orleans: The LRT would follow the railway line/Transitway beside Riverside Drive, and in my original proposal would have used the empty land north of the Hospitals to connect to Innes Road. However, after re-reading the FOTO Hospital proposal and the effects of vibration/noise on the Hospital, I think it would be better to have the east line continue following the railway tracks to the Hurdman Terminal, the VIA rail station, and back down to Innes. Or, it could follow the existing Transitway from Train station to Blair Station, and then turn south at Blair to Innes. The Blair route would serve areas already served by the Transitway (thus already providing riders), but I don't know if it would be convenient to rebuild the Transitway. This part of the proposal, I just thought up now, so I haven't researched the possibilities. Please, feel free to add input.

The line would follow Innes Road and the Blackburn Bypass around Blackburn Hamlet, and south with the future Bypass near Navan Road, and thus through the future residential developments in this corridor (as well as the commercial/industrial ones near Mer Bleue Road). The line would follow the corridor reserved for rapid transit to Trim Road, and possibly farther in the future. I would connect the Orleans part of Transitway to the east line.

I welcome all input, criticism, and comments, with the hopes that this will further the ideas for the ultimate LRT system in Ottawa. Whenever it is built, I will travel there to ride it.

Matt "Keyo" Alcock, Transit Planning Hobbyist

An interesting design...

I actually think that a lot of those designs could be implemented through the FOTO plan (or a variation of it). One of the extensions that no one has really talked about is the Alta Vist Transit Corridor, which was put on hold by City Council. I take the 8 route frequently as I work at the Herongate Mall and I rarely ever see that bus or street quiet in terms of traffic. It is quite congested and shouldn't be due to the fact it's a 2 lane road with limited capacity. I think a link from Hurdman to Conroy would open up transit ridership to the Ottawa South Business Park and take some pressure off of Alta Vista.

In regards to the Rideau/Montreal LRT and the Carling LRT I still believe that buses can handle those corridors if the routes are divided properly to mitigate delays due to traffic.

The last comment I'll make is the extension into Kanata. As far as I'm concerned there needs to be an LRT extension to Scotiabank Place as the traffic chaos during events can be signficantly reduced. I don't believe it's necessary for LRT to travel to Kanata North but there needs to be more direct transit service to Kanata and within Kanata to help with traffic congestion there.

So all in all, a very good design plan that you've thought up. Very well structured. Now if only we can make a sensible transit plan come to be, then I'll be happy.

Anthony Gagne
Gloucester, Ontario

Alta-Vista Transit Coordidor

The obvious thing to fill the coordidor would be an extension of the Hospital eLRT.
http://www.friendsoftheotrain.org/?q=node/10

Unfortunately, after reaching Walkley, the obvious extension further south-east involves
much longer distances, one more appropriate for diesel rather than eLRT. So, an extension
to Walkley via eLRT would make some sense (but would be $15M/km), but if you want to go further south, then it would make more sense to use the VIA line a bit further east.

The maps posted are very nice, and very well down.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5523/otrainstationszu3.png
is very nicely down, london-Tube style diagram.

I'd like to ask the poster to if they'd be willing to explain a bit more why they chose
the routes they did. Who does each stop serve? And at what expense?

If we could start with a blank slate, and do anything, the concepts presented would
be wonderful, but we must have a plan that can be incrementally deployed, and at
each stage, has a clear return on investment.

Michael Richardson.
Volunteer researcher, Friends of the O-train.

I like this idea.

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