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Kanata Extension
February 20, 2007 - 8:20am — vylevesq
I would like to see the Kanata extension tweaked a bit. I suggest running the OTrain to Scotia Bank Place. The biggest benefit running the OTrain to Scotia Bank Place is not for events at Scotia Bank Place but to take advantage of the huge 'park and ride' lot that sits empty during the day.
I Agree Completely
I agree whole-heartedly that there should be a link to Scotiabank Place both for events and the use of the lot as a Park and Ride. I think that in this case it is worth the money to invest in the short distance of track to the complex before the whole area is developed (for which there are already the beginning of plans). The tracks by the river could be designed to act as barriers between new development and the ecologically sensitive river in two ways. First, they would act as a barrier to people crossing the tracks and into the river area and second the tracks could be designed as a barrier system to protect all the new Kanata developments from annual flooding of the Carp river. This would make it multi purpose, raise local property values and save flooding and thus an even easier sell. The new line would then also serve Stittsville and could become part of a long-term greater city network.
I have created a plan for an all-encompassing light rail plan for the capital region and for the Scotiabank extension for which I have posted pictures at: http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w51/SHplanner/Kanata.jpg
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The overall plan is similar to the FOTO plan but is larger and more long-term focused and doesn't include a downtown electric portion. It is phased for growth with the city and needs and it includes links between suburbs as new job centres and new suburbs are created. The write-up was posted on this site earlier but seems to have dissappeared. If desired, I can re-post the write-up.
Scotiabank place extension
It certainly would be a good thing if a train could reach Palladium drive. The question is how?
a) if it should go directly there, does it go down the middle of
the 417? Does it take over Corkstown road?
Realize that trains that are located in the middle of highways
are particularly unpleasant to get to. These are not subway
systems or GO-Trains, but relatively small vehicles that make
no more noise than a diesel bus.
b) if it should go to Kanata Centrum and Palladium drive after
visiting Kanata North (where there are already tracks),
what route would it take?
Note that retrofiting/remediating existing tracks on existing
rights of way costs usually less than $1M/km, sometimes as cheap as $200k/km. We use an average cost of $0.5M/km in our estimates.
New rights of way for diesel in exclusive right of way can cost 5-10M/km, new electric rail in exclusive right of way costs $15M/km.
New electric rail in shared right of way (in the road), costs $25M/km.
So, the cheapest way to reach Palladium drive would be to wrap
around the west of Kanata, and expropriate some existing bridge
over the 417 for exclusive rail right of way. (There would be sufficient space left to make it a rail/bicycle/pedestrian bridge)
But, west of Kanata Lakes is marsh and other sensitive areas.
Are you willing to expropriate some houses to permit the line to
travel through the developped part of Kanata Lakes?
Alternatively, the trail south of the 417 could have the rail replaced,
and rail could enter from the south.
Sit down with a map and a ruler and draw us some ideas.
Volunteer researcher, Friends of the O-train.
The city of Pembroke is
The city of Pembroke is willing to pay up to $1,500 to take part in the trial run of a commuter train between the Upper testking 83-640 Ottawa Valley and Ottawa.
The run, which is to take place Oct. 5, will see a group of community leaders from Renfrew and Pontiac Counties take a train ride between testking 312-49 Ottawa and Beachburg and back, to test the viability of a regular commuter route.
Deputy Mayor testking HP2-T17 Les Scott, who has been representing the city on a working group of Eastern Ontario mayors looking into the idea, said everything has been set for the train trip. What is required is the city to kick in a testking SSCP share of the $10,000 cost of the trip.
Doing it on the cheap is NOT
Doing it on the cheap is NOT always better. Why wrap around west of Kanata and expropriate an existing bridge?? That would just increase travel time and would not be a direct link. If more money has to be shelled out to build a line across the lenght of the 417 or a new right of way why not do it? Make it a proper line and not something goes into the middle of nowhere first to get somewhere.
Kanata Extension
Terry Fox Drive (Ottawa Road #61) is a major arterial road in Ottawa, Ontario and named for the late Canadian humanitarian activist and athlete Terry Fox. Located in the suburb of Kanata in the city's west end, the road is currently the continuation of Kanata Avenue, a collector travelling through the neighbourhood of Kanata Lakes. It heads south past Kanata Centrum, crosses Highway 417 and passes Glen Cairn hosting reviews. It ends at Eagleson Road where it links up with Hope Side Road. Another section of Terry Fox Drive located in Morgan's Grant in Kanata's north end, exists as the extension of a rustic collector route, Goulbourn Forced Road, and ends at the Kanata North Business Park where it becomes Herzberg Road heading south back towards March Road and Carling Avenue. Initially a minor road, Terry Fox Drive became a more important and busier road due to growing communities in Kanata and neighbouring Stittsville. The addition of the past decade of two new key sites, the Kanata Centrum shopping complex and Scotiabank Place (which began as the Palladium in 1996 and was later known as the Corel Centre) low cost web hosting services. The Centrum complex contains several big box stores and services including Loblaws, Wal-Mart, Future Shop, Best Buy, Sportchek, Fitness Depot, Sleep Country, Chapters, Pier 1 Imports, Color Your World, Jacob Connexion, Danier, GNC, Classy's, the Shoe Company, Home Outfitters, Payless Shoes, Golf Town and PetSmart as well as an AMC movie theatre and restaurants including Kelsey's, Boston Pizza, and Jack Astor's colocation. In addition to the Centrum there is a Canadian Tire, a Home Depot and a Holiday Inn resort located nearby. OC Transpo's Terry Fox Station and Park and ride, opened in 2004 is also located near the Centrum.
Pick one
Sure. Great. pick a route. How many houses do you want to expropriate? We do this
all the time for roads, why not transit?
If you want to build east/west along the 417, how far? All the way? If so, how many
bridges do you have to redo? Figure it out. How many years of EA's? I am not
asking these questions to discourage you, but rather, to get you thinking about what
really has to be done to make your vision come true. I share it, but I don't see it
being well accepted.
The reason why I'd go to March Road is because we can do that in almost no time,
and without almost no environmental impact. A compromise is to take a left hand
turn at the 417 and travel out the middle of the 417 to Palladium drive.
How many kilometers? Any buried utilities? how much space is there?
Volunteer researcher, Friends of the O-train.
More than 100 CCTV cameras
More than 100 CCTV cameras are being erected 642-892 along the 5.6km tunnel which will have a speed limit of 80kph.And gardai 70-238 are in top level talks with the tunnel operators about a range of speed checks.
There will be permanent Garda Traffic 70-528 Corps patrols to, from and in the tunnel, it was also learned yesterday.
Queensway LRT
I have to agree with mcr on this one. A provincial official has already stated that LRT along the Queensway corridor is a no go. In all reality, for much of its length, there simply is no room and the cost would be astronomical if it was possible at all. Through Kanata, I believe the Queensway corridor is much wider than elsewhere and perhaps LRT can be run along it from where the railway intersects the Queensway to Scotiabank Place. This would have to be studied to determine the feasibility.
An alternative would be extend existing bus lanes to Scotiabank Place.
I would certainly love to see Scotiabank Place serve as a Park and Ride.
Re: Kanata Extension
Hi all,
Just thought I would mention that the city is working on building a transitway from Eagleson station west towards Scotiabank Place. The transitway would start west of Eagleson just north of the Queensway (417); a station would be built near the pedestrian bridge to Kanata Town Centre before linking up with the Terry Fox station. The transitway will then cross above the Queensway (near Huntmar Drive) heading south towards Stittsville. The preliminary plan would have two stations (and one park & ride lot) at/around Scotiabank Place, another station at Maple Grove Road, and a final station/park & ride lot at Hazeldean Road (the end of this transitway extension for now). So bringing e-LRT or d-LRT would just duplicate this eventual transitway expansion plan. I'll also have to agree with mcr on this one and see either e-LRT or d-LRT head north to Kanata north, where there is no current/future planned transit service.
Kyle Cooper
Transit user/Advocate
We are spending more then
We are spending more then Twice the cost MB7-221 of surface E-LRT to put the tracks underground.
If we really have that much money we can build 4 tracks in the downtown. and still have between $62 and 237 million left over MB7-222.
It is possible I made some form of mistake in my estimates as I am taking them from you and MCR, but honestly based on the above, A tunnel MB7-223 does not make financial sense, when We can build MB6-825 more then 4 above ground tracks for the price of 2 below ground tracks.