Cost of a tunnel

We know it will cost alot - yes, that's as precise as it gets if you listen to some of the figures floating around in the media. Here's some explanation and comparison pricing on a tunnel for Ottawa:

The Ottawa LRT tunnel proposal requires about 2.5 km of twin tunnels from
Bronson to Campus. The Task Force has estimated $450 million, which has
become a controversial element of the plan. It averages $180 million/km.

It could, however be compared to Toronto's Sheppard Subway, completed in
2002 at $875 million for 5.5 km, including 5 stations, (one of which has a
very large underground bus interchange). This averaged $160 million/km.

The Laval metro extension which opened in 2007 was 5.2 km with three new
stations and cost $745 million. The cost was under $145 million/km

The Ottawa tunnel also replaces 2.5 km of surface-running LRT and the cost
of this, say $150 million, should be subtracted from the $450 million before
considering the amount as as additional cost to the previous plan.

Vancouver's 19.5 km Canada line, will open from downtown to the airport and
Richmond in 2009. More than a third is tunnel and most of the rest elevated,
which is also high cost. Estimated cost of $1.9 billion, (2003 $), INCLUDES
trains, maintenance facility and 16 stations, so about $100 million/km.

Tunnel boring requires one boring machine for 2 tunnels, though some
projects use two, and digs about 10 m per day. This means that for Ottawa,
5 km of single bore tunnels would take about 500 days or just over 16
months. This is quite reasonable and has very little impact on the surface,
utilities, existing transit, or traffic, except at the station sites.

Rick Chiarelli's claim that Ottawa's tunnel would cost $1.4 billion is
completely unsupportable. The Task Force estimate is certainly in the
ballpark.

And how long can we go on expanding our billion dollar Transitway to a
city-wide $3-billion Rapid Transit network, WITHOUT spending more than a
pittance in the downtown core?

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Cost vs benefit

So to summarize the mayors task force say we need about 2.5 km of tunnel at 450 million

Ottawa tunnel Estimate - - - - $180Million/km
Toronto's Sheppard - - - - $160 million/km
Laval metro - - - - $145 million/km
Vancouver's Canada line - - - - $100 million/km. (some above ground)

you also guess a total surface rail cost of, $60 million/km ($150 million)

I am no Expert but "MCR" also posted an estimated cost

"New electric rail in shared right of way (in the road), costs $25M/km."
here : http://www.friendsoftheotrain.org/?q=printable/node/72

If I assume the lowest of the entirely below ground projects (Laval $145 M/km) that's $362 million for the tunnel.

At these kinds of costs it would be possible
1. close off Queen Street or Albert
2. build double tracked surface E-LRT for the whole length ($62.5 -> 150 million)
3. put the rest of the money in the bank ($212 -> 300 million)
4. when need warrants many years later Close off "Laurier Ave"
5. build double tracked surface E-LRT for the whole length.

We are spending more then Twice the cost of surface E-LRT to put the tracks underground.
If we really have that much money we can build 4 tracks in the downtown. and still have between $62 and 237 million left over.

It is possible I made some form of mistake in my estimates as I am taking them from you and MCR, but honestly based on the above, A tunnel does not make financial sense, when We can build more then 4 above ground tracks for the price of 2 below ground tracks.

I do not want another mayors vanity project, I want Effective, Useful, workable, high value transit.

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How can there be little

How can there be little impact on utilities? Isn't there a slew of communucations cabling that would have to be moved? Can the tunnel really be bored with traffic overhead?

Answer: the tunnel is bored about 12 m below the street. There is no impact on the surface or on buried utilities, (less than 5 m below the street), except where you excavate a shaft down to each station. Those shafts can be decked over while they are excavated to the full depth and the concrete station boxes created, and traffic drives over top during this.

If you aren't replacing the utilities, you just excavate around them and suspend them from the deck while you dig deeper.

The surface disruption is really like what they are doing on Bank Street now; closing it only a block at a time. Only three or four such blocks, plus the vicinity of the canal would be affected.

David Jeanes